Che Guava 3,361 Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 Now, nobody should hold their breath thinking this will be finished tout de maintenant or somesuch. This will be a long project, and I only started it because the yellow on my Klemm is taking 3 days to dry per area each coat. Acquired from RWG as an abandoned project, I thought I'd try stretching it a bit to test the technique when (if) I lengthen a Mach 2 Viscount and Britannia, I've done the old stretchy fuselage a few of times before by different methods. First by the simple method of buying a second kit for the front extension and having only one join (sometimes not as easy as I'd hoped, and too expensive for a dedicated cheapskate like moi), Another time, I used small strips of card to make up the extension, but being flat, made it look like the side of a Zeppelin! This time I pre-prepared a sheet of 20thou card heated and wrapped round a bit of B&Q sink drain pipe! Releasing it from that, I needed a tighter diameter, so, using cable-ties gradually tightened the sheet up like a Sunday roast. This was then trimmed and inserted into the inside of the cut fuselage with an underlap of about 30-40mm at each end. Another circular piece with a longitudinal cut and to the correct extension length was slipped over the nose and into the depression left by the internal plug. Oh for heaven's sake! Even I can't follow that and it was I wot rote it. Here's some piccy's instead (in the style of old Airfix instructions).... Separate part A from part B, insert part C..... .....glue mating surfaces, then before glue hardens...... .....slide part D over nose ("not your nose, you idiot") and close up parts A, B and C, aaaaand..... ...Voila! The Electra-fication of an Orion has begun. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 May I point out the bottom of this page? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Walrus 9,303 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Richard's a bad influence. What happened to good old fashioned shaking the box and it all falls into place kits? That used to be all the rage and no one would touch a kit that needed filler. How times have changed! Or maybe it's just the clientele at this particular maison de la psyche? 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grunhertz 15,449 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Watching with interest now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Che Guava 3,361 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Walrus said: Richard's a bad influence. What happened to good old fashioned shaking the box and it all falls into place kits? That used to be all the rage and no one would touch a kit that needed filler. I have to own up that it was probably me who, way back, was a bad influence on him. Back then, there were almost no civil aeroplane kits, so the hacksaw, the filler, and occasionally the balsa wood, were vital. Now I'm trying to catch up! It's also something to do with the fact that, straight out of the box doesn't seem to work with me. Something almost always goes wrong and hopes of excellence are dashed. Meanwhile, when there are no great expectations, like my recent L-39, any result at all exceeds them. I've never lusted after a WNW kit, because if I get it wrong its my fault, and if it turns out exceptional, well that's just because WNW made it that good in the first place. 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Che Guava 3,361 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Jessie_C said: May I point out the bottom of this page? You're no fun anymore. Also, I could never purchase from a company who is so cavalier with English grammar as to spray random apostrophies around like shells from a Gat, 'Conversion's" plural indeed. What is their first language? Klingon? Usefull to see what they needed to change though, Lockheed actually used the short bit of the tail at the end of their extension, but I'd no idea about the prop spinners - I suspect later models just used Orion ones. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gorby 11,600 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Che Guava said: who is so cavalier with English grammar Please, never read anything I've wroted written. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RWG686 22,803 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Walrus said: Richard's a bad influence. Guilty as charged. My poor old EP-3B conversion even further broken than it got in the house move. Good to see the 30 year old paint came off ok. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miggers 6,311 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Che Guava said: like shells from a Gat, You might have a few baffled there Squire Guava. But,apart from that,might I say a Sterling effort Sir,a Sterling effort.(think about it,think about it) That Gault fellow is a bit of a rogue,he throws bits and decals in one's direction and with the power of suggestion, he has you hook,line and sinker. Edited November 9, 2020 by Miggers 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Che Guava 3,361 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Miggers said: he has you hook,line and sinker. But willingly kippered, none the less. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Che Guava said: You're no fun anymore. Also, I could never purchase from a company who is so cavalier with English grammar as to spray random apostrophies around like shells from a Gat, Well, ye's he doe's tend to commit apo's trophe abu'se. But to off'set that, hi's conversion's are top notch. 'Superb even What's your plan for the windscreen? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miggers 6,311 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jessie_C said: What's your plan for the windscreen? Windscreen?,ho-ho,you want a windscreen too? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skwonk 6,431 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 I doff my trilby (by the crown as it is a soft hat). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Che Guava 3,361 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Jessie_C said: What's your plan for the windscreen? Plan? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, Che Guava said: Plan? Well, that flat centre panel has to go... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miggers 6,311 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jessie_C said: Well, that flat centre panel has to go... That's got yer scratchin' yer heed Guava old bean. Think I'd be measuring from the "quarter light" frame to the centre,remove the offending and cut/fit two new frames. Either that or pinch someone's DC.3/4/6/7 windscreen and adjust smugly to fit...... That real one above has a lot more than just a whiff of Douglas aboot it. Edited November 9, 2020 by Miggers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 The windscreen itself is an easy enough shape. Just pinch an old CD case and cut the two panels from it. The real challenge is the shape of the flight deck roof just above it. It's pretty much the reason why I went with the Contrail's conver'sion kit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miggers 6,311 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jessie_C said: The windscreen itself is an easy enough shape. Just pinch an old CD case and cut the two panels from it. The real challenge is the shape of the flight deck roof just above it. It's pretty much the reason why I went with the Contrail's conver'sion kit. That's why I mentioned the DC.3/4/6/7,they all have a similar "eyebrow" above the two panels where the shape changes quite subtly from flat to curved. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Having both in the stash, I can safely say that the Electra's windscreen angle is appreciably sharper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Che Guava 3,361 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jessie_C said: Well, that flat centre panel has to go... Yeh, Flat glass panels. Un piece de gateau, init? My chosen subject will be an Air Atlantique (Atlantic Airlines) freighter which has a slightly deeper quarter-window (the one next to the front vee. Getting the side window narrowed and the fuselage contours modded will be trickier. I'm pretty sure the windscreen rake is the same though. Much blunter nose, semi-circular profile. The Orion nose must have beens stuffed with warfare widgets. This is a really useful picture...Thanks I can't see any difference in the spinners between the Electra and Orion though. Am I missing something since they are supplied in the conversion's (sic) kit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Just now, Che Guava said: I can't see any difference in the spinners between the Electra and Orion though. Am I missing something since they are supplied in the conversion's (sic) kit. The spinners are there because the Electra's props are different, and the conversion caters to that. Electra: Orion: 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Loopy 1,740 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Jessie_C said: Well, ye's he doe's tend to commit apo's trophe abu'se. But to off'set that, hi's conversion's are top notch. 'Superb even What's your plan for the windscreen? Perhaps’ hes’ a‘n Ankh-Morpo’rk gre’engrocer... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Anythings po's'sible. But if he i's, I want to know how to get there! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Col. 4,668 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, Jessie_C said: Anythings po's'sible. But if he i's, I want to know how to get there! Acro's's the Atlantique perhap's? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jessie_C 8,248 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 I'm already accro's's. I need to go 'South. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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